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Tipser.Aramis
10-09-2008, 02:02 PM
The average punter loose his money to the bookmaker largely as a result of poor money management. Bookmakers can from time to time present very good prices, espescially after the bookmaker has had a few good weeks (often weeks with surprise results, many favourites losing, etc), and punters' accounts are running empty. Bookmakers know that even if they present a few good odds (I mean really good odds), average punters will most probably deposit more money, and most certainly win this time, thereby increasing their bookmaker account.
This is fine by the bookie, because he knows that the customer most likely will have an empty account in a few weeks time due to his poor money management anyway. The bookmaker will see this loss as a short term investment, because the average punter will feel aroused by his winnings, he's getting eager, and start to bet more often and often with higher stakes. Unevitably, the bookie's getting his money back, with a solid interest on top.....
Profesional punters know that bookmakers operate this way, (presenting good prices every now and then, get money circulation, let the customer feel he's winning, thus generating more cash flow, and eventually more money in the bookmaker coffers), and therefore they wait patiently for the next round with extra good prices offered.
The profesional punter do not get carried away after a few wins. He knows what to expect, and acts thereafter. The profesional punter is not necessarily better to predict an events outcome than other punters , but he's definitivly much better with money management

1.Martingale

Martingale is probably the best known system for money management. Originally designed for use in casinos, this system has nothing to do with picking objects. Martingale is a system which helps you control your stakes. With Martingale, you can be a lousy bettor, but still win money. Please not that Martingale is a system with very high risk of going broke.
The principle of the Martingale system is as follows:

If you lose, you double your stakes, and if you win, you start all over on your starting stake. This means that you eventually will be ensured a profit. Follow this example: You've found a game with odds 2.0 for home victory. You bet 100$, but you lose, as the game ends in a draw. Next time you bet 200$ on a game with odds 2.0. If you lose again, you must bet 400$ on a game with odds=2.0. If you win this time, you've placed a total stake of 100+200+400 =700$, and you've won 100$ for your efforts. The 100$ payoff is equal to what you would've won on your first bet.

Fantastic system, or what ?
Certainly, if you had unlimited funds available. Or if the bookie would drop his maximum bet limit. Or if you have the sufficient cool when you hit a long losing run. Remember, with odds=2.0, you will have to wager 32 times your original stake if you lose 5 times in a row. And losing 5 times in a row is not too difficult with odds 2.0..... And even if you have lost 5 times in a row, you have no greater chance of winning the sixth time. Too many people think they'll have to win soon when they've lost many in a row. The fact is that the chances for a win is just as big (or small if you like) as when you started the betting sequence. Martingale is in other words a very dangerous system, and should be used by punters with large funds and no nerves. In my opinion, Martingale is not a suitable money management system for the average punter due to it's heavy level of progression

2.Row of numbers
The German word for this system is "Die Abstreichmetode". This is also a system well known from casinos, and has a lot in common with Martingale (recovering from losses by increasing stakes). But Row of numbers is not as tough as Martingale though. While Martingale can quickly give you your stakes back including a profit, Row of numbers does not repay your losses that quick, but it does not lead to big stakes either (which Martingale does).
Row of numbers gives you more flexibility compared to Martingale because you can adjust your stakes in a more suitable way. The disadvantage is that this system requires more effort from you, as you have to make a row of numbers on a piece of paper and add numbers when you lose, and remove numbers when you win. You need to have better control with your betting, so to say.
Let's have a look at the system:

First decide how much you want to win. E.g 1000 $. Then you have to figure out how long it's going to take to reach your goal. This is the tricky part, because when you win you must remove the first and last number in the row, but when you lose you must add a number to the row.
As a result of this, you must try to decide an average probability for a win, given a fixed odds. If you want to play on games with an average odds of 2.0, set your probability to 40% (or thereabouts). It's better to underestimate rather than overestimate your abilities. If you overestimate your ability, you will have to make up for it by increasing your stakes, and increasing the stakes can easily become rather unpleasant if you hit a losing streak.
If we imagine the 1000$ split into 20 50$ wins, we can calculate how long you will have to bet in order to get a 1000$ total win, given the 40% chance of winning with odds=2.0 (a 50% chance means you're betting even with the bookmaker).
With a 40% chance of predicting the 2.0 object correctly, you will lose 60% of the picks. Thus you lose 50% more often than you win (60/40). In the case of winning, you get to remove 2 numbers on the list (the first and last number).

3.Kelly criteria
Systems like Martingale and Row of numbers use high level of progresion to make up for the punters lack of margins. In these systems, stakes are successivly increased when losing, thus the punter are running a high risk of bankruptcy.
In the Kelly Criteria, progresion increases when you are winning, and decreases when you are losing. The stakes are decided by a percentage of the size of your funds. In the Kelly Criteria, the risk of bankruptcy is virtually eliminated.
The Kelly Criteria requires that the punter have the probabilities on his side. When using Kelly, it's expected that the punter can bet even with, or better than the bookmaker. If a home team has got odds = 2.0, you will only bet on the home team if you think it has a 50% chance or more.

The Kelly Criteria has got it's name from John L. Kelly, the American who invented this theory and formula.
In short, Kelly's theory says that if you can determine a somewhat correct probability for an events outcome, then the formula will determine the exact amount of your funds which you should bet on that event.
If you overestimate your ability to predict an outcome (i.e you predict a 60% chance, when the correct prediction should be 52%), you will pay for it by losing money. If you underestimate your ability to predict the outcome (i.e you predict a 55% chance, when the chance is 60%), you will win money, but not as much as if you were betting with flat stakes. This is due to the fact that Kelly's formula optimizes your stakes if you are able to predict with a high degree of accurracy.
With Kelly you make money by having only a small advantage on every game you pick. If you instead have a small disadvantage for evey game you pick (i.e you overestimate your predictions), you will lose money compared to flat stake betting

Before starting with Kelly, decide upon the following:

Size of your fund
A fund sized 10-15 times the size of your normal singlebet is enough. Ofcourse these funds must be funds you can afford to lose. Remember that with the Kelly Criteria, you will not lose all your money straight away, because the stakes are decided as a percentage of the actual size of your fund.

ENGLISH
10-13-2008, 07:40 PM
Strategy, Systems, What a laugh, ive been their, seen it, done it. As far as Strategy goes, everyone has one at some time or other, some are short term, pending results, some are hard and fast, at the end of the day, what works best?.. I am going to tell you.. For free..ish.. Take 1 euro and give it to Charity. A big win is at your own fingertips when you find a good source of information, your failing is, how you use that info. If you have no failings you would not be visiting SV, Nor would you bother reading the next paragraph, or should i say post.

Pavlik
10-14-2008, 11:30 AM
Not agree :)

in betting, strategy or better say - money management is the key to be long term profitable bettor.

of course Martingale is way to hell.

I use my own criteria and I'm very happy with that.

1/ never bet more than 5% of your bankroll to one bet. Even if you are 100% sure or you need cash quick. (this is my only money management rule I have, but it's very hard to follow it...)

2/ never bet more than 5 games per day. (So I invest 25% of bankroll per day maximum)

3/ never bet on game just because it's on TV :) or just some small stake for fun

4/ bet only on single games

5/ don't bet if you cannot find good game today. (I don't have to bet every day)

6/ never bet on lower English divisions


it's only some of my rules. My "strategy"


Strategy, Systems, What a laugh, ive been their, seen it, done it. As far as Strategy goes, everyone has one at some time or other, some are short term, pending results, some are hard and fast, at the end of the day, what works best?.. I am going to tell you.. For free..ish.. Take 1 euro and give it to Charity. A big win is at your own fingertips when you find a good source of information, your failing is, how you use that info. If you have no failings you would not be visiting SV, Nor would you bother reading the next paragraph, or should i say post.

roger-d
10-16-2008, 10:18 PM
Well, someone said..."Do you want to ruin the bookies? Then don't bet" :)

I think there is no proven strategy that you can follow and win. There've been million bettors before us, there will be millions after us. No one heard of someone who has gotten millioner from betting - especially by following any strategy.

For me, i dont control my moneys too strictly, there have been some games that i bet all in. But good for me is i dont keep too much money in my account, when i see some good picks i go to bookies office, and place my bet, get the ticket, and come back home. If i win, i can not go back there and bet again, because my bookies work till 9 pm. So, till next afternoon i cool myself, and get the cash ! And my accounts....? I bet on 6 pm games, and then 9 pm, and then Brasil... and if i still win, i bet on NHL :)

Non-stop.... which is i guess a little adrenalin!

ENGLISH
10-20-2008, 07:14 PM
Whether anyone agrees with me or not is irrespective, the fact is, if i dont win, i dont eat, If a bus driver stays at home he dont get paid, I stay home, 07.00 TV on, Sports news. Check results, Make notes. Watch high lights, Coffee, Fag, Computer on, head down and study. Thats my Strategy, To help me i use Gap. The big question is, how to use the information you have aquired, Thats next....

MWdePro
10-21-2008, 08:45 AM
Monitor odds throughout week to detect changes which provide good clues, check recent form, check weather, check roster, use your past experience and go for it.. This is supposed to be fun.....Youve got to enjoy it....No matter what your job is...be happy and good luck....

ENGLISH
10-22-2008, 08:31 PM
Luck, The word Luck is a swear word in my volcabulary.

Once you have selected the most promising game or games, you are ready to bet, do yourself a favour and drop all but one, but you may lose a fortune, so play a small stake on an accumilator and cross em, Then go back to that game, you know, the one that stands out in your imagination. Your work now starts, and if your not happy after your hours of work, then drop the game and hope your accum pays. Look at both team stats or whatever draws you, then see who the top scorers are, decide if goals will be scored, obviously if you go for a win, you expect a goal, make sure the prospective scorers are playing. Recent stats will tell you if either side are scoring, if it looks like no goals for either, ignor it, every team wants to score, so dont shoot yourself in the foot by playing under 2.5. Your bet, Home or Away win. Over 2.5. one goal scorer for either side. If this game is on TV, you will not fall asleep. If you go for a draw, play the game as previouse but with just ten mins to go, on live betting, your draw is holding, then play both teams to score first, you will generally find odds at around 7-1, This is called edging your bet, and remember this is the only time you bet against yourself, to secure a bet at this time assures a win.

ENGLISH
10-24-2008, 09:42 PM
On line, live Betting is a fantastic oppertunity for any budding bettor, when used with a modicom of common dog f-ck, The draw bet, laid prior to kick of will fetch a max of 3.4, this figure will not improve during play. If you have strong belief for a draw, then play your maximum stake, lets say 100e, Aproaching 80 mins in live betting, your pick is holding at 0-0, or 1-1, whatever, provided its a draw, get logged in, bring up your match, you will find around 7.0 for either side to win or score next, personally i take to score next, you never know how much injury time will be added by the Ref, a point to reflct, is, how many times has your Bet gone down to a last min goal in injury time. Your return is 340 for the draw, 240 profit, without edging your bet you will suffer stress, Take the next team to score at 100 on each team, you must at all cost do this quickly, @ 7.0 apiece, you are garenteed a profit of 40, with an exceptional chance of 400.

MWdePro
10-25-2008, 06:59 AM
This type of bet is good and it does work. You must bet on the draw before the game and hope there are no early goals or clear domination to sway the odds. An early goal will likely send the odds everywhere and youll be dashing for correct scores unless u cross your fingers that the other team comes up with a goal for a draw. Look for teams that get goals through penalties or ones that score late goals. Good defensive teams with no fire power and you can win.

Personally....I dont bet on a DRAW. I bet against losers and for winners.

Bet Singles and use the profit of singles to bet on doubles and other combos. Dont forget to pick winners. Use your strategy not impulses. This makes me kinda stay away from Live Betting. It gets me in trouble...especially after a big win. Good LUCK:D

ENGLISH
11-03-2008, 07:02 PM
Lets move on. Accumilators.

This is where Gamblers and Bettors are likely to find their fortune, while useing small bets with big odds, I call it, cheap and cheerful. Question. How many times do you bet a treble, and find the last one buggers you, the same with Doubles, 4s 5s and so on. At least 6 times a month i play 6 or 7 games in one bet, but always find the one in the middle lets me down, but my dream lives on to the next time when i might get them all, and Yahoo. The Yahoo happens, for me, one in six, The inbetween is my point right now. Depending on the odds you are only going to break even on playing a Yankee, 6 doubles 4 trebles and the Accum, if one goes down, lose two and your f...... Pick 3, making sure the last game is availiable on live betting, and, does not start befor the second game finishes, You like me, find your first two have won, and you have 250 going on. Your outlay is, so far 10e. Not bad odds, 5.0 5.0 going on to 2.4. As sure as hell the 2.4 is gonna f u. The draw is 2.8, and the away is 2.6. Provided you have a few moments to collect your thoughts, you will realise you can not lose. Even playing the double, provided the first selection wins and you have time to consider your situation befor the next part of your bet kicks off, and is availiable in live betting, you can not lose.

London_City
11-15-2008, 05:16 AM
I need some help guys, I am in such huge lose that it makes me crazy and every time I try to break even, I make losses again. I can't concentrate.
I want to make a stupid thing: make a huge bet on one bet, and try to recover losses. I know this is probably insane idea.
This month took out all my profit for whole year........ I'm screwed..

ENGLISH
11-15-2008, 11:54 AM
London.
You are chasing, and you will not catch up, you are in a rut and the walls are getting higher, I know the feeling. My advise, stop betting for a few days, but continue to study and post two games per day untill you hit 3 winning days = 6 wins on the trot. I say post them, because your friends may decide to bet on them, and the knowledge that your friends may be relying on you will keep you focussed.

duminyricky
06-29-2009, 01:56 PM
With the help of this, a lot of newbies would surely be able to comprehend even more and understand better the ins and outs of the game.